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he wasn't read his miranda rights. they are using an exception there and there are calls for him to be treated as an enemy combatant. is that the right call, do you think? >> let's pick these two piece it is apart. on the miranda question it's not clear how much of an exception it really is. as an investigator or prosecutor you can choose not to mirandize someone. it makes things much more difficult for them down the road at trial. if you are concerned about getting certain kinds of information and it looks like the fbi and the national security apparatus is concerned about getting information, then you would want to get as much as you can out of someone in the near term in order to roll up any other individuals that might have been involved in a potential conspiracy. turning to the question on whether someone is an enemy combatant or not, if you apply law in 1944 when we were dealing with germans in the united states, maybe you could classify him as an enemy combatant. in the last 20 or 30 years, every major act of do
he wasn't read his miranda rights. they are using an exception there and there are calls for him to be treated as an enemy combatant. is that the right call, do you think? >> let's pick these two piece it is apart. on the miranda question it's not clear how much of an exception it really is. as an investigator or prosecutor you can choose not to mirandize someone. it makes things much more difficult for them down the road at trial. if you are concerned about getting certain kinds of...
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you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life. and there was this finding from the judge, and this one is important. quote, i find that the defendant is alert, mentally competent, and lucid. he is aware of the nature of the proceedings. okay? so that is the basis for the discussion. joined by retired superior court judge isaac borenstein in boston. he's done hospital visits over his 22 years as a judge. let us begin with the idea, confusion and frustration about miranda rights. give them right away, if you don't give them, then this prosecution is astray. what is the basic understanding o
you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life....
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not just miranda. it's miranda, it's the engagement of lawyers and it's an entirely different scenario. do you think we will have trouble prosecuting this guy? >> of course not. we don't need his confession. >> why didn't we wait? >> wait, wait. >> that would have been completely lawless. don't blame the justice department -- >> wait, you just said it was an act of terror. >> of course. >> and a crime. >> and you can still prosecute later, but in the meantime before you offer miranda rights, get some of america's best interrogators in there and you find out what this guy knows. is he connected to a larger cell? are there pending attacks? are there foreign links? where did the training come from? how did you learn to make the bombs? basic simple questions this we need to know because the safety and security of the american people in this case i think are paramount. >> sean, do you know who gave him his miranda rights? >> i don't know exactly who but we were told he was. >> a federal judge, a magistrate
not just miranda. it's miranda, it's the engagement of lawyers and it's an entirely different scenario. do you think we will have trouble prosecuting this guy? >> of course not. we don't need his confession. >> why didn't we wait? >> wait, wait. >> that would have been completely lawless. don't blame the justice department -- >> wait, you just said it was an act of terror. >> of course. >> and a crime. >> and you can still prosecute later, but in...
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there's too much misinformation about miranda. we're looking at it based on television programs tv series. if there's a miranda violation, that means that that statement that individual made can't be used in a court of law against him. however, this individual -- julian is right, the fbi is gathering that -- they already said they took full responsibility to it to the person whose car they carjacked. all they mean is statements you get are admissible. it's an affirmative defense on an evidentiary point. >> so your point is, just so i can clarify, your point is, we can still very likely put this guy in jail, or get the death penalty, whatever we decide. we may not need any of these statements against him in court. why not interrogate him for public safety reasons longs as long as we want? >> jay is right. the guy confessed in the carjacking. the terror suspect confessed to being the boston bomber. tim think mcveigh was mirandized. there isn't a problem here, which is why i'm surprised that senator graham, senator mccain and others
there's too much misinformation about miranda. we're looking at it based on television programs tv series. if there's a miranda violation, that means that that statement that individual made can't be used in a court of law against him. however, this individual -- julian is right, the fbi is gathering that -- they already said they took full responsibility to it to the person whose car they carjacked. all they mean is statements you get are admissible. it's an affirmative defense on an...
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. >> no miranda warning? >> it is a federal issue somebody else can explain that. >> there was no miranda warning given can we have an explanation? >> there is a public safety exemption with cases of national security with federal charges with an act of terrorism so the government has the opportunity right now so i believe the suspect has been taken to a hospital. thank you. >> is there a federal death penalty? >> i indicated earlier this is an active and ongoing investigation we will be reviewing all of the evidence before that decision is made in terms of whether or not to seek the death penalty. you review all of the evidence and it is a thoughtful, long process that is engaged and the attorney general of the department of justice that makes the final decision. >> can you tell us what happens at the scene was the moving around? how did you know, ? >> we know he did not go straight to the boat. when we set up the perimeter with the best intentions with a lot of information and finding blood in the car , beh
. >> no miranda warning? >> it is a federal issue somebody else can explain that. >> there was no miranda warning given can we have an explanation? >> there is a public safety exemption with cases of national security with federal charges with an act of terrorism so the government has the opportunity right now so i believe the suspect has been taken to a hospital. thank you. >> is there a federal death penalty? >> i indicated earlier this is an active and...
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it's different from the miranda warning. the other thing. don't forget, if he is not given the miranda warning what the worst thing that can happen? you don't think they have a case without the statement. >> megyn: they have videotape of him placing the bomb. >> they make a calculated decision, getting lawyered up or going forward and getting the bad guys that are still out there. >> megyn: it will be tough to find a jury not willing to convict. death penalty versus not. we're getting overhead shot of the boat where the suspect was last night. this one is less clear. we're going put these on the screen. why is the boston public defender's office so anxious to get involved. >> probably running to the ideological on to the cynical. >> megyn: you think they are unhappy he hasn't been given miranda yet? >> good point. even if he had been given it and made statements and it's a slam-dunk case on video. they knead don't need any of it. >> megyn: so a confession in terms of figuring out the larger war on terror. >> it's a legitimate exception but a
it's different from the miranda warning. the other thing. don't forget, if he is not given the miranda warning what the worst thing that can happen? you don't think they have a case without the statement. >> megyn: they have videotape of him placing the bomb. >> they make a calculated decision, getting lawyered up or going forward and getting the bad guys that are still out there. >> megyn: it will be tough to find a jury not willing to convict. death penalty versus not. we're...
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. >> some believe despite yesterday's reading of his miranda rights the federal government still holds swooifr the younger tsarnaev. negotiate ago plea deal under which he would cooperate with authorities in exchange for sparing his life remains an option. >>> the wife of the dead boston bombing suspect found out her husband and brother in law were the accused bomber the same way all americans did on tv. her lawyer claims she suspected nothing this as they ask another question was tamerlan tsarnaev involved in a 2009 triple murder. molly, we also hear that there is good news today about the victim. >> good morning, heather. two in critical condition. doctors are telling us everyone now in the hospital are expect to do survive. there were 14 patients that lost lefshs. boston medical center say many are up and walking and they are preparing for a massive exodus as they call it to rehab. many recoveries underway. investigators are looking to speak with suspect number one's wife tamerlan tsarnaev was married to katherine russell tsarnaev. they met in college in 2010 and sometime around tha
. >> some believe despite yesterday's reading of his miranda rights the federal government still holds swooifr the younger tsarnaev. negotiate ago plea deal under which he would cooperate with authorities in exchange for sparing his life remains an option. >>> the wife of the dead boston bombing suspect found out her husband and brother in law were the accused bomber the same way all americans did on tv. her lawyer claims she suspected nothing this as they ask another question...
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but when he is able to you wonder whether or not the miranda situation will change and that is something to look forward to over the coming dayings. >> thousands in boston and millions in the country are relieved that the chapter is closed. but a new story begins as investigators investigate what motivated the two men and how much backing they h. >> i am happy to go to bed tonight and happy my family can go to sleep without worries about acracy terrorist. >> it is a feeling of relief and gladness and happy for all of tholce who are involved. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still "stubbed" up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] it doesn't have a decongestant. no way. [ male announcer ] sorry. alka-seltzer plus fights your worst cold symptoms plus has a fast acting decongestant to relieve your stuffy nose. [ sighs ] thanks! [ male announcer ] you're welcome. that's the cold truth! [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus. ♪ oh what a relief it is! ♪ [ male announcer ] to learn more about the cold truth and save $1 visit alka-se
but when he is able to you wonder whether or not the miranda situation will change and that is something to look forward to over the coming dayings. >> thousands in boston and millions in the country are relieved that the chapter is closed. but a new story begins as investigators investigate what motivated the two men and how much backing they h. >> i am happy to go to bed tonight and happy my family can go to sleep without worries about acracy terrorist. >> it is a feeling of...
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>> it's not clear whether he provided this information before or after he was read his miranda rights. i don't know. . i know, this is according to a government source, what he has told them in the preliminary investigations. >> jake tapper, thank you very much. obviously significant information there. new information from jake tapper. i want to bring in our panel live tonight. seth jones associate director of the security defense policy center at the rand corporation. former member of the joint terrorism task force and jeffrey toobin our legal analyst. jake is saying -- this is significant in terms of the information in this. but obviously a crucial question out there which is was it obtained before or after those miranda rights were read? >> the irony here is what he is saying is not particularly helpful to him. what would be helpful to him is if he had a conspiracy he could make the government to make a deal to avoid the death penalty. if he is simply saying it is me and my brother, what does he have to negotiate with? >> there's no one to else to give up. >> right. >> and frankly,
>> it's not clear whether he provided this information before or after he was read his miranda rights. i don't know. . i know, this is according to a government source, what he has told them in the preliminary investigations. >> jake tapper, thank you very much. obviously significant information there. new information from jake tapper. i want to bring in our panel live tonight. seth jones associate director of the security defense policy center at the rand corporation. former member...
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miranda rights read. so he may well cooperate and this may well all have a happy ending and i hope it does and i hope everything works out just fine. there is at least a chance that some information will be lost because of this and it seems to me that when you have an attack of this kind related to muslim extremism as this plainly is especially in the case of the older brother perhaps in the case of this young man as well that intelligence is critical and ought to be a priority. >> bret: yuan, we don't know what if anything he has told investigators up until he was read his miranda rights. that's what we don't know. he is clearly not speaking because of the injury. but, your thoughts? >> i was going to make the point that you made, which is that we don't know what he said before he was read his miranda rights. and it would indicate from the fact that he is nodding that maybe he wasn't able to speak. maybe, i don't know but that's my assumption based on the transcript. i will say i don't think the presiden
miranda rights read. so he may well cooperate and this may well all have a happy ending and i hope it does and i hope everything works out just fine. there is at least a chance that some information will be lost because of this and it seems to me that when you have an attack of this kind related to muslim extremism as this plainly is especially in the case of the older brother perhaps in the case of this young man as well that intelligence is critical and ought to be a priority. >> bret:...
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it's not a way around the miranda ruling. the miranda ruling requires all government agencies to tell you before they ask you a question you don't have to answer it. the obama administration has taken a radical approach to the miranda rule by coming out of nowhere with this 48 hour rule that doesn't exist in any statute and no court has permitted it. >> going to regret it? >> i think they will. bass opposite they start using it there will be no stop to it. >> shepard: investigators want to talk with the wife of the older bombing suspect. are lawyer says she won't be able to tell them much because she had no idea he was up to anything until she saw he was a suspect on television. that part of the story is next. updating our breaking news. authorities in canada are expected to announce multiple arrests relate toad what they're calling a major bomb plot. we're now getting conflicting reports about whether new york city was on a target list. sources telling fox news, at laos one man was arrested in quebec, another in ontario. tha
it's not a way around the miranda ruling. the miranda ruling requires all government agencies to tell you before they ask you a question you don't have to answer it. the obama administration has taken a radical approach to the miranda rule by coming out of nowhere with this 48 hour rule that doesn't exist in any statute and no court has permitted it. >> going to regret it? >> i think they will. bass opposite they start using it there will be no stop to it. >> shepard:...
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read him his miranda rights and let the criminal justice work. that's what we do in america. >> you think this needs to happen by the end of today at this point? >> once the fbi is able to ascertain whether or not there are continued threats to public safety, they should not expand further public safety exemptions. to do so is going to get their nick nice knickers in a twist. look at the 9/11 defendants. we tortured them, held them in secret prisons. we still have not prosecuted the alleged master minds of the 9/11 attacks. if boston wants and all of america wants justy, the best way is to let the criminal justice system kick up and work. to make it up as we go along is foolhardy, unconstitutional, and frankly really un-american. >> anthony romero, executive director for the aclu. thank you for coming on the show this morning, sharing your views. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> we're expecting to get an update, by the way, any minute now on the conditions of some of the boston bombing victims who are still in the hospital. >>> plus, how should t
read him his miranda rights and let the criminal justice work. that's what we do in america. >> you think this needs to happen by the end of today at this point? >> once the fbi is able to ascertain whether or not there are continued threats to public safety, they should not expand further public safety exemptions. to do so is going to get their nick nice knickers in a twist. look at the 9/11 defendants. we tortured them, held them in secret prisons. we still have not prosecuted the...
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was signal would by not reading the miranda rights when they captured him. it could mean that and could mean the opposite of that. in the meantime eric shaun has the latest from boston right now. >> hi, neil, they could be filing them under a civilian case under those chargeless. federal charge of at the same time state murder charges and that's what sources are telling fox newings, the reason he was not given the miranda rights is that under the law, under a approximate exemption that has to do with immediate threats to the police or public. there is a part of the law that said you don't have to give miranda rights to a suspect to immediately protect the police in a life or death situation. the idea is that when they got him in the boat, they don't know if there are other plots or bombs or devices that the brothers had allege wouldly planted. that was a way to get immediate information about the type of threat they may have posed. dzhokhar remains here in the hospital in serious condition. he lost a lot of blood and suffered two gunshot wounds one in the ne
was signal would by not reading the miranda rights when they captured him. it could mean that and could mean the opposite of that. in the meantime eric shaun has the latest from boston right now. >> hi, neil, they could be filing them under a civilian case under those chargeless. federal charge of at the same time state murder charges and that's what sources are telling fox newings, the reason he was not given the miranda rights is that under the law, under a approximate exemption that...
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miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it because of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldo: say it in english. court or tribunal? >> oh, court or tribunal. i suspect we need to know a little more information but certainly looking like a military tribunal. >> geraldo: do you want it to be a military tribunal? >> depends on the facts but looks like yes, this was. >> geraldo: quadruple murder and four death sentences on this guy. >> i don't care what the guys were saying during the commercial break. a military tribunal done properly are does not give the defendant as many protections as a mere criminal in the united states. >> geraldo: robert first and then bo. >> i feel
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is entitled to his miranda rights. why? >> well, i think the administration is handling it exactly correct. there is a public safety exception under the miranda allowing law enforcement to interview him, making sure there are no other bombs, threats, perpetrators still out there giving the law enforcement flexibility to do the that prior to miranda and i think the court will interpret it broadly and give them the time they need to make sure that the public is safe. after that, he will have to be mirandized, doesn't mean the end of cooperation, but no basis yet to conclude they should be treated at enemy combatants. we're talking about an american citizen on american soil. there's no evidence that i've seen yet that they were a part of an al qaeda cell or directed by a foreign government. we're very far afield from a situation which is sort of the paradigm for enemy combatant status. that is, someone captured on the balg battlefield in a theater of war. resist these charges as an enemy combatant. the court has proven capable
is entitled to his miranda rights. why? >> well, i think the administration is handling it exactly correct. there is a public safety exception under the miranda allowing law enforcement to interview him, making sure there are no other bombs, threats, perpetrators still out there giving the law enforcement flexibility to do the that prior to miranda and i think the court will interpret it broadly and give them the time they need to make sure that the public is safe. after that, he will...
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no miranda rights were read to the suspect here last night. a justice department official says the bombing suspect won't be read the miranda rights because of a public saflt exception. so what is the next judicial step? let's ask the executive director of the american center for law and justice. good morning. i think a lot of folks are not familiar with this public safety exemption. why invoke that at this time? >> usually it's rare, it would be an instance where there is a gun or some kind of in this situation, unexploded bombs. it's important for people to understand, this is not the most extreme move. what you get from this is very limited interrogation and on top of that, it has to be directed questions. what does that mean? the questions can only go to minimizing and eliminating the immediate emergency. because that's why you've invoked this exception to the miranda warning which is required by supreme court precedent. but they did carve this out. >> the u.s. government is concerned about any potential new attacks so they want to limit th
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. >> i think the miranda issue is an easier issue. he doesn't have to be mar lindaized for a lot of reason. first of all, they have enough evidence to convict him without getting a confession from him. all miranda gets you is a confession you can use in court. you can use that information for everything else. remember, he confessed already to the guy they kidnapped. the guy he kidnapped says, these two guys told us, we did the bombing. they got great witness and they got a great confession. maybe even better than a law enforcement confession where you can claim it was forced out of you. they gave a upon takenious confession -- spontaneous confession. >> bob wants to get in here. so then why did they need to make that statement? i'm trying to figure out why they made that statement? >> i don't know exactly why they made it. maybe because they got so much criticism -- remember the christmas morning bomber that they mirandaized right away, lost the opportunity to get information from him? so i think maybe they were playing defense. >> le
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essentially admitted to doing it, and i want to say with a very important caveat, before he was read his miranda rights. >> there's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal law. but this is as close as you get. you've got video tape putting him at the scene. you have a motive in terms of what he's had to say. plus, you have a guy in a car that admissions were made to. it goes on and on. now, could he beat the death penalty? maybe that's a possibility. what should the defense's strategy be. the shoe bomber obviously now serving life, but did not get the death penalty because of your defense. what can the defense possibly do? >> well, they're going to be focused on mitigation at this point, thinking about the possibility of the death penalty. they're going to be looking into his background. they're going to be having him evaluated, potentially, by, you know, forensic evaluations, by psychologists. they're going to be looking at his state of mind. >> it seems like the defense may try to say he was under the influence of his older brother and be some way to mitigate his defense or say he is brainwas
essentially admitted to doing it, and i want to say with a very important caveat, before he was read his miranda rights. >> there's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal law. but this is as close as you get. you've got video tape putting him at the scene. you have a motive in terms of what he's had to say. plus, you have a guy in a car that admissions were made to. it goes on and on. now, could he beat the death penalty? maybe that's a possibility. what should the defense's strategy...
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miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it becae of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldosa it in english. court or tribunal? >> oh, court or tribunal. i suspect we need to know a little more infmation but certainly looking like a military tribunal. >> geraldo: do you want it to be military tribunal? >> depends on the facts but looks like yes, this was. >> geraldo: quadruple murder and four death sentences on this guy. >> i don't care what the guys were saying during the commcial break. a military tribunal done properly are does not give the defendant as many protections as a mere criminal in the united states. >> geraldo: robert first and then bo. >> i feel like a 9th
miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it becae of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldosa it in english. court or tribunal?...
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and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have outside help, do you think? >> that's an excellent question. i'm sure in the coming days and weeks, law enforcement, the press will uncover virtually every aspect of the lives of these individuals, including the answer to that question. i do know that it is relatively and probably shockingly easy to assemble the components to make a bomb from things you can obtain in the united states. and there are terrorist organizations overseas that have instructions online for how to do that. and so it's something that we ought to look carefully at from the law enforcement p
and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have...
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miranda isn't in the constitution. what the court should look at is it the confession voluntary not whether a specific set of words were read. rehnquist ended up upholding it because of star idecised us. kind of a stretch that the precise words are necessary. >> geraldo: military tribunal. >> i already answered that. give me a break. you don't have to read miranda to a rapist. the rape is over. we are not worried about another bomb. >> geraldo: say it in english. court or tribunal? >> oh, court or tribunal. i suspect we need to know a little more information but certainly looking like a military tribunal. >> geraldo: do you want it to be a military tribunal? >> depends on the facts but looks like yes, this was. >> geraldo: quadruple murder and four death sentences on this guy. >> i don't care what the guys were saying during the commercial break. a military tribunal done properly are does not give the defendant as many protections as a mere criminal in the united states. >> geraldo: robert first and then bo. >> i feel
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. >> i think the miranda issue is an easier issue. he doesn't have to be mar lindaized for a lot of reason. first of all, they have enough evidence to convict him without getting a confession from him. all miranda gets you is a confession you can use in court. you can use that information for everything else. remember, he confessed already to the guy they kidnapped. the guy he kidnapped says, these two guys told us, we did the bombing. they got great witness and they got a great confession. maybe even better than a law enforcement confession where you can claim it was forced out of you. they gave a upon takenious confession -- spontaneous confession. >> bob wants to get in here. so then why did they need to make that statement? i'm trying to figure out why they made that statement? >> i don't know exactly why they made it. maybe because they got so much criticism -- remember the christmas morning bomber that they mirandaized right away, lost the opportunity to get information from him? so i think maybe they were playing defense. >> le
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. >> no miranda warning, could you explain that for us? >> the united states attorney or the fbi may want to explain that. it is a federal issue. >> what are the extent? -- >> let him finish the question. >> no, did not. >> what is the question? >> the reports are are that there was no miranda warning given and they were claiming a public safety exception. could we get an answer to that? >> there is a public exception in cases involving acts of terrorism and the government has that opportunity right now. though i believe that the is suspect has been taken to a hospital. thank you. >> what are the conditions -- >> i'm sorry? >> will you seek the federal death penalty. >> i indicated earlier this is still an active and ongoing investigation. we will be reviewing all of the evidence before that kind of a decision is made in terms of whether or not to seek the death penalty you review all of the evidence and it is a very thoughtful long process that is engaged and it is the attorney general of the department of justice that makes that final de
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dzhokhar tsarnaev was charged without miranda, this is because federal authorities were able to implement the... the national threat exemption. and that will allow them to continue to question him. now, just on the other side of the police tape is a spontaneous celebration, beginning with people huddled around the radios, wanting to hear the latest information h. they got the information they wanted, cheers would erupt. ultimately, they lined both sides of the road and cheered for the emergency vehicles as they were leaving this scene. the tactical teams, the police officers, the national guardsmen, all got cheers. the crowd would erupt and chanted u-s-a! u-s-a ?ft and patriotic songs, as the people here endured so much the last couple of days, very glad to see this chapter of the trag fee tragedy is over. >> we will see you again. >> what is next here? joining us now, the criminal defense attorney, james shalloc, familiar with cases involving multiple murders. he prosecuted son of sam killer, david brcko wits. i have to think, the most powerful evidence may be the videotape, the day of t
dzhokhar tsarnaev was charged without miranda, this is because federal authorities were able to implement the... the national threat exemption. and that will allow them to continue to question him. now, just on the other side of the police tape is a spontaneous celebration, beginning with people huddled around the radios, wanting to hear the latest information h. they got the information they wanted, cheers would erupt. ultimately, they lined both sides of the road and cheered for the emergency...
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we need to understand that the debate is not so much about this individual, miranda in this case, enemy combatant in this case. it is that, once again, like post- 9/11, the patriots act, now it's the time that we have to take that deep breath and say, backing off of this sort of talk is not protecting this individual. it's protecting our constitutional rights and the tenants of this system. and we need to keep that in mind. we hear nonsense like america's a battlefield so even for u.s. citizens we can throw it all out the window from here going forward because of sudden nebulous war on terror. >> that's the debate, kelly. you've done terrorism cases. when you have senators like lindsey graham saying that the suspect should be tried as an enemy combatant and then "the new york times" comes back with an editorial -- "mr. graham's reckless statement makes a mockery of the superb civilian police work that led to the suspect's capture, starting with the skillful analysis of the video recordings of the marathon. there is no reason that the lawyers and courts cannot continue to do their work."
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there is no need for miranda warning in this case. >> if they were to read the miranda rights and say you have the right to remain silent, right to attorney, let's say he gets a public defender or another attorney volunteers to help him, you're a graduate of harvard law school. you know the first thing any lawyer will say to his or her client shut up. don't say anything else. >> we'll see. this is going to unfold slowly now. it's important for people to remember the big statement last night was commitment by the administration they'll go through normal criminal justice process. we have criminal statutes. >> instead of declaring him enemy combatant. >> i personally think it's absurd to be honest. he's here. he is u.s. citizenship and all of the evidence is necessary and it's an important statement especially after what the city went through to say, yep, now you're just a normal criminal and we're going to put you through the process. this national security exception i agree with tom, we do not know a lot of facts about the motivation and whether they had more plans for people. a lot of
there is no need for miranda warning in this case. >> if they were to read the miranda rights and say you have the right to remain silent, right to attorney, let's say he gets a public defender or another attorney volunteers to help him, you're a graduate of harvard law school. you know the first thing any lawyer will say to his or her client shut up. don't say anything else. >> we'll see. this is going to unfold slowly now. it's important for people to remember the big statement...
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miranda is not a huge obstacle to get people cooperate. typically they realize once they are caught that they have to cooperate in order to make things better for themselves. the idea that miranda presents some huge obstacle to gain cooperation is not true, number one. number two, there are many avenues and many tools that the f.b.i. to have conduct investigations. >> megyn: here is the concern. what if he lawyers up. what if he lawyers up and then refused to answer any more questions before we gotten everything we need to know. we want to follow up and you know as well as i do, lawyers will tell him, keep your mouth shut. >> actually david who ran the national security division that the opposite was true. often having the attorney involved makes it easier to explain to the defendant why it is in his interests to cooperate. i don't think that is necessarily true. certainly, the f.b.i. has broad authorities especially a case like thishere we know heinous act has happened to use various tools. there are often many ways to get information. >>
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miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's extremely rare. i do criminal defense work. i can tell you, the most you can hope for in a miranda case is one or two statements will not make it into court. it's rare the whole case falls out unless everything -- >> so it's not the poison fruit thing? >> there is a poison fruit provision, standard. but it's very rare for it to pollute an entire case. >> let me ask you practically, why don't the law enforcement officials, the federal officials up there who have him in custody at the hospital, why didn't they just do this
miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's...
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so behavior mirandaizeing him the cops asked him where is the gun. before finding out asking if there were other bombs, beth i'm with you. but now they broadened it, besides asking about the becomes, ask him about other items. joe, it sounded like you were going to say one last thing on this. >> the last summation is in boston they've seen terror trials before, the richard reed trial. the shoe bomber, there was no miranda exception even then when there could and there was a direct link to an al-qaeda plot, and they ordered people to stay inside so they were confident that there was no explosive devices to begin with. i think it was a show of force by the federal government to let everybody know that they were doing everything they can short of torture, which is now illegal, to get information out of him. >> cenk: let me see if i can take this to the next level. peter king said he should be a combatant. >> i want the intelligence to save americans lives. and that's the only way to do that effectively if he's treated as enemy combatant. >> there is fin
so behavior mirandaizeing him the cops asked him where is the gun. before finding out asking if there were other bombs, beth i'm with you. but now they broadened it, besides asking about the becomes, ask him about other items. joe, it sounded like you were going to say one last thing on this. >> the last summation is in boston they've seen terror trials before, the richard reed trial. the shoe bomber, there was no miranda exception even then when there could and there was a direct link to...
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he does not need to see his miranda rights read to him in bed. laughable. >>steve: from what i've read this morning, apparently it was their mother who pushed them towards islam, a very extreme form of islam. you've got to wonder whether or not the widow of the older brother, who is now with her parents, knew anything. there she is right there. catherine russell tsarnaev. she reportedly didn't have any reason to suspect him. why? because she was apparently working 70 to 80 hours a week as a home health care aide. while she was away, he was supposedly taking care of the three-year-old toddler. >>gretchen: she had totally changed who she was. many people allege she had been brain washed by this radical islam thought, that she was a christian before, and three years ago she decided to convert. but not only just convert; really get into the depths of it and change exactly who she was. we saw her there in the garb. people who knew her in high school said she was nothing like she was before. she dropped out of college. she had aspired to become somebody and decid
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the participation of any pearl possible further accomplices and of course we have to note that the miranda rights off tonight have been revoked the right and he has to remain silent as well as a right to a lawyer or being deny to him because officials are interested in being able to question him without being able to use this right and the fact that his miranda rights have been revoked is receiving major criticism throughout the united states and causing really a lot of debate civil rights groups are saying that he should be able to have these rights provided to him. a u.s. citizen being investigated in a criminal case but certainly this is not been the case officials are using the public safety clause and the criticism stems from the fact that they did say earlier that any immediate threat has been removed also it's important to mention that republican lawmakers in the united states have been suggest. that i have been treated as an enemy competence this is also been a topic of much debate because we are of course talking about a u.s. citizen or nine didn't become a naturalized citizen las
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he's been given his miranda warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist prosecution. they don't have to prove intent to terrorize, intent to intimidate. they can prove their case just through the videotapes. now, i predict there are going to be two types of possible defenses in this case. number one, the jihad defense. i did it, i'm proud, i'm happy, please kill me, i want to join my brother in paradise. i'm a martyr. the other, my brother made me do it, i am innocent, look at my face, look at my high school record, i really didn't mean it, don't give me the death penalty. i think from what we have heard now, the jihad defense seems like it is off the table. he is prepare
he's been given his miranda warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist...
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i want to talk about miranda. suspect number 2. they read dzhokhar his miranda rights last night apparently bedside. while we talk about this will you pull up the picture of joe -- dzhokhar and the young boy who was killed. isn't this one of the most evil pictures you have seen. that boy is minutes away from being blown up by the bomb. the bomb placed at the feet of him. should she have read his miranda rights dick dick i still can't get over he is doing my segway. >> people coming into certain universities. that's true there is a hesitancy to jump on muslims as there is to jump on blacks. i mean, it's something that my side has condition the people to be very careful about that when i said something yesterday about student visas get into later in the show. i get jumped on my side. >> miranda bad idea or not. plenty of time to do it but they decided to do it last night. i'm assuming an correct me if i am wrong, you may know, this the department of justice pushed them to do that now. >> i would imagine. i give deference to the gover
i want to talk about miranda. suspect number 2. they read dzhokhar his miranda rights last night apparently bedside. while we talk about this will you pull up the picture of joe -- dzhokhar and the young boy who was killed. isn't this one of the most evil pictures you have seen. that boy is minutes away from being blown up by the bomb. the bomb placed at the feet of him. should she have read his miranda rights dick dick i still can't get over he is doing my segway. >> people coming into...
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lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when there's a public safety emergency we don't have to give miranda warnings. this is going to be very, very controversial, and then senator mccain under the ante by saying this is an enemy combatant and you should treat the case in accordance with the rules of war. what that means is mccain is saying the guy doesn't deserve a jury trial. he's going to be, i don't know whether mccain is suggesting he'd be shipped off to guantanamo, which that would be a radical departure from the way justice is handled in the united states, particularly where a naturalized american citizen is involved and at
lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when...
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he was given his miranda rights. finally they had been put in place. they're going to question him to use that information to collect intelligence so that they protect the rest of us. >> this case seems like a prime candidate for capital punishment. do you think there will be much debate about whether or not he gets the death penalty? >> i sure hope not. he's a poster boy for if. >> how so? >> he used an explosive device. he killed people, he maimed people, he intended to do more. he rings all the bells. >> what if he gives more information about people overseas who they were in could cahoots with? >> you mean cooperates? >> yeah. is that the thing that helps you avoid the death penalty. >> it's one thing that helps you avoid the death penalty. i hope it doesn't get him anything less than life. >> we see this and it sort of reminded me of the dc sniper case in a way. maybe the younger person who was influenced by his older brother. maybe led astray in some capacity. we may uncover that the brother was really the ring leader here, the one who was drivin
he was given his miranda rights. finally they had been put in place. they're going to question him to use that information to collect intelligence so that they protect the rest of us. >> this case seems like a prime candidate for capital punishment. do you think there will be much debate about whether or not he gets the death penalty? >> i sure hope not. he's a poster boy for if. >> how so? >> he used an explosive device. he killed people, he maimed people, he intended...
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if it was given prior to the reading of his miranda rights, it would probably be unlikely they would use that against him in court. if it was used voluntarily afterwards, likely he would. about the fact he has lawyered up, most likely we could send the information probably came prior to his reading of the miranda rights. we don't know that right now. >> thank you very much indeed. an extraordinary court session took place inside his hospital room. a transcript of that hearing tonight that tells us about the accused bomber and the case. jason, tell us what happens, it is fascinating. >> it really is and it is an nine page transcript we got hold of. what i can tell you is this proceeding lasted about ten or 15 minutes, started about 11:30 this morning. all of the key figures came into the hospital room and all of them introduce themselves. you had the u.s. judge there and attorneys from both sides. a court reporter there as well. and everyone present wanted to make sure that he knew exactly what was going on, know about the charges that he is facing. let me read you some of the key sec
if it was given prior to the reading of his miranda rights, it would probably be unlikely they would use that against him in court. if it was used voluntarily afterwards, likely he would. about the fact he has lawyered up, most likely we could send the information probably came prior to his reading of the miranda rights. we don't know that right now. >> thank you very much indeed. an extraordinary court session took place inside his hospital room. a transcript of that hearing tonight that...
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there are exceptions to the miranda warning? >> there are exceptions to the miranda warnings. since the miranda case in 1966, the supreme court carved out a number of different exceptions where the police don't need to read the miranda warnings to a suspect and can still introduce in the statements that the suspects make into evidence. >>brian: do you believe this information warrants that exception? >> i do not. i think the government is taking a chance by deciding to go ahead and interview the suspect, future defendant without reading his miranda rights. the exception that they are citing is the public safety exception from a 1984 case, where a suspect was arrested after putting a loaded gun somewhere that supermarket. as the police were driving away, they asked him what he did with the gun, and he told them where it was. the police were able to recover a loaded gun. but in that case the danger to the public was immediate. here, i think we're talking about potentially interviewing this guy, the younger brother, when he wakes up in the hospital after the police have been sati
there are exceptions to the miranda warning? >> there are exceptions to the miranda warnings. since the miranda case in 1966, the supreme court carved out a number of different exceptions where the police don't need to read the miranda warnings to a suspect and can still introduce in the statements that the suspects make into evidence. >>brian: do you believe this information warrants that exception? >> i do not. i think the government is taking a chance by deciding to go...
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do we think, your personal opinion, do we think that he should have been read his miranda rights? >> i think that he has got that brief window of time. i heard the segment you did with mike ignacious on that and that period of time where if public safety issues arise, allows them to ask questions. i think it appears from what i know, i don't know anything, none of us do right now, that we are in that window, there is a concern for public safety and probably able to question him and i just hope they don't go over that line. they have to make sure that they stay in that line you you want any prosecution to hold up. you want this person to be held accountable. >> what about treating him as an enemy combatant? what is your take on that? >> i don't know all the facts here to establish that yet. i'm not sure that most of us that aren't intimately involved with the investigation know all the niceties involved in making that determination. i would hesitate to make a leap to that point without having quite a bit more information. >> massachusetts congressman john tierney. congressman, than
do we think, your personal opinion, do we think that he should have been read his miranda rights? >> i think that he has got that brief window of time. i heard the segment you did with mike ignacious on that and that period of time where if public safety issues arise, allows them to ask questions. i think it appears from what i know, i don't know anything, none of us do right now, that we are in that window, there is a concern for public safety and probably able to question him and i just...
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jenna: please. >> i don't have a problem with miranda rights. this man can only be tried in federal court. he's never eligible for military commissions. a first year law student could convict this person. what i'm worried about is what does he know about future attacks? he's telling us that his brother was the bad guy, he's sort of just along for the ride. they had no international connections. guess what, he's down-playing his involvement. what i am suggesting is that we use the national security legal system where we can interview him without a lawyer to gather intelligence to prevent a future attack, rather than having to negotiate through his lawyer to get any information. jenna: but, if i could, senator, there seems to be a lot of discrepancy about some of the information come being out about this investigation. >> right. jenna: we've all seen it, you know, played out on the news and otherwise. i would like to drill down a little bit into an even change you just had about the boston terror attacks with the s*epbg o secretary of home land se
jenna: please. >> i don't have a problem with miranda rights. this man can only be tried in federal court. he's never eligible for military commissions. a first year law student could convict this person. what i'm worried about is what does he know about future attacks? he's telling us that his brother was the bad guy, he's sort of just along for the ride. they had no international connections. guess what, he's down-playing his involvement. what i am suggesting is that we use the national...
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would not be read his miranda rights as part of the fifth amendment public safety exception the problem with this is that the exception doesn't actually legally fit the suspect and for those of you who have no idea what miranda rights are the rights read to every person who's arrested in the u.s. media aftermath of the suspects detention certain elected officials quickly took to the internet to offer their two cents on how to treat the suspect south carolina senator lindsey graham said quote the last thing we may want to do is read boston suspect miranda rights telling him to quote remain silent and then followed up by saying if captured i hope administration will least consider holding the boston suspect as enemy combatant for intelligence gathering purposes some state representatives took the sentiment even further calling actually torture the suspect new york state senator gregg paul wrote sos scumbag number two in custody who wouldn't want to use torture on this punk to save more lives. i wouldn't and no one else that actually respects the rule of law and the constitution because gu
would not be read his miranda rights as part of the fifth amendment public safety exception the problem with this is that the exception doesn't actually legally fit the suspect and for those of you who have no idea what miranda rights are the rights read to every person who's arrested in the u.s. media aftermath of the suspects detention certain elected officials quickly took to the internet to offer their two cents on how to treat the suspect south carolina senator lindsey graham said quote...
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courts for that purpose. >> so you just mentioned miranda. so the other thing, the big thing that happened today there are two remarkable events today. there was the filing of the criminal complaint, which i was waving around, and they released a suspect of a procedural hearing that happened actually at the bedside in the hospital with a federal magistrate who was brought in. that federal magistrate informed dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year-old suspect, of his rights to counsel, and there was actually defense counsel present. my question to you is he was apprehended friday night. he has been in and out of consciousness as far as we can tell. he has a throat wound, so he is writing things down. the administration has made use of a public safety exception in not reading him his rights. and i want to read from a memo in 2010 that went out to the fbi from the justice department that says there may be exceptional cases in which although all relevant public safety questions have been asked, are there other plots, other bombs, et cetera, agents noneth
courts for that purpose. >> so you just mentioned miranda. so the other thing, the big thing that happened today there are two remarkable events today. there was the filing of the criminal complaint, which i was waving around, and they released a suspect of a procedural hearing that happened actually at the bedside in the hospital with a federal magistrate who was brought in. that federal magistrate informed dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year-old suspect, of his rights to counsel, and there...
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there is a lot of truth, wait waive to give miranda rights. defense attorneys will do that inevitablely in a case like this especially where it's going to be what he says. >> megyn: the obligation is to protect his client, not to protect us. you need to have somebody looking out for you. he did, he did some things right after the break when our panel continues. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge! >>. >> megyn: back mercedes and mark according to some reports, not independently confirmed he is claiming by writing out answers because he can't speak that well that his brother, his older brother wanted
there is a lot of truth, wait waive to give miranda rights. defense attorneys will do that inevitablely in a case like this especially where it's going to be what he says. >> megyn: the obligation is to protect his client, not to protect us. you need to have somebody looking out for you. he did, he did some things right after the break when our panel continues. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with...
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. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over. and you're right, the enemy combatant thing was a nonstarter from the never going to happen. this is a criminal case in federal court in massachusetts, and that's where it will stay until it's resolved one way or another. >> it's going to take a while. thanks very much, jeffrey. much more on what's going on in this boston investigation coming up here in "the situation room" 0. >>> also, another terror plot released today, new information. canadian authorities announcing the arrest of two men believed to be part of a terror plot to attack a passenger train that may have been heading towards the united states,
. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over....